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SSS into Airport Development?

xzibit31
http://m.philstar.com/business/show/126cb07c8ec3d71f6606534ba4ac223a?t=ni025a09vjep0vkneh4qm4nk81

 State-run Social Security System (SSS) has identified two provincial airports for its infrastructure investments as part of efforts to support the Duterte administration’s massive infrastructure program.


“We’re trying to propose, with an investor, to develop the Davao International Airport and the Cagayan International Airport. We will be an investor. So for example if the project cost is P5 billion, we will account for the 30 percent and if they say earn, 20 percent, we will get that too,” Valdez said.

What do you think about this?
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SSS into Airport Development?

Arianespace
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Very unlikely. They have been approached though. But they can't invest peoples money in non-public traded stocks. In short, the airport operator must first be a listed company.

Meanwhile, there really is a plan for both Davao and Laguindingan and the development plan through PPP has just been updated.
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Re: SSS into Airport Development?

xzibit31
Arianespace wrote
Very unlikely. They have been approached though. But they can't invest peoples money in non-public traded stocks. In short, the airport operator must first be a listed company.

Meanwhile, there really is a plan for both Davao and Laguindingan and the development plan through PPP has just been updated.
thanks for the info. :)

with regards with the update, are you at liberty to divulge it? :)
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Re: SSS into Airport Development?

Unbreakable
7781 and 7782 awaiting delivery in the next 2 months.





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Re: SSS into Airport Development?

Travelbug_89
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Looks like CEB-LAX has a pretty good chance of coming back when the A350s arrive http://www.orientaviation.com/articles/3074/shooting-for-stars
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A350

airboy
Got word that the coming A350 will have the following configuration:

BCL - 30 (1-2-1 config)
PECY - 24 (2-4-2)
ECY - 241 (3-3-3)

If this is the case, it looks perfect and easier to fill the second transpac flights, and thinner routes like YYZ. Can't wait to see this product.
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Re: A350

Solblanc

Given that the A350 will have premium economy, it really is a big question as to why they aren't reconfiguring the triple 7s. It's one thing to have mismatching products in business class, but it's also another thing to have a whole cabin that won't be offered on the majority of the bread and butter routes of LAX/SFO.

If anything, the incoming 777s should really be delivered with the new product, even if it means a decrease in seats. After all, can they really fill 370 seats to LHR?

Thompson vantage xl isn't really a great product if you want to cram seats in a 777, we know. But there are other creative options like Zodiac Optima or Stelia Opal if they want to keep direct aisle access, or even plain old thompson vantage, which at least would have direct access for the center seats and throne seats, instead of the current layout which basically inconveniences everyone.

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Re: PR's upcoming 77W's

Paulus Ragiles
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No, it is PAL's belief that 13 and 22 is unlucky. RP-C7771 (B77W) & RP-C9922 (A321) are examples, they dont exist because 7+7+7+1=22 and 9+9+2+2=22. Take a look at PAL's registration gaps in planespotters.net and add up the numbers. I just dont kow why 7770 doesnt exist.
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PAL A321neo

cabinpressure
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PAL reveals A321neo configuration. Seat count is 168 seats, lower than the reported 176. Premium indeed.
TL;DR: Full-flat business, In-seat IFE and high speed WiFi in all classes.

GFQls4.jpg

Paulus Ragiles wrote
No, it is PAL's belief that 13 and 22 is unlucky.
Maybe 1+3=4, 2+2 =4
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PAL A321neo

Arianespace
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I think there is something wrong with this announcement. The first A321neo ULR variant (3x act) with 4,000nm range at 168 pax will come out only in February 2019 and PAL is not the first operator. I believe this is only the A321neo LR (2x act) with the amenities mentioned. Another variant of this type was mentioned by CAPA to have a seat of 176. Could be a mix up. It should be capable of flying Brisbane direct though.
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Re: PAL A321neo

seven13
BNE will be flown direct starting Mar 24 according to the blog site. DRW will be dropped consequently.
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Re: PAL A321neo

Travelbug_89
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Where'd this announcement come from? What config for business class? 2-2?
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PAL A321neo, the A321-271N ACF kind

Arianespace
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Mabuhay 1-18

As stated earlier,  there are errors to this report.

The A321NEO that PAL receives in February is not the LR variant. While the A321neo ACF story is correct, it does not have the range to fly 4,000nm.

According to Airbus statement yesterday, The A321neo ACF is the base for a longer range (LR) variant known as the A321LR.

The very first of this type was just shown yesterday. The 3500nm-ranged  CFM powered plane if you figure the livery. It will undergo ground tests prior to its scheduled first flight "in the coming weeks" according to Airbus.
A321-271N ACF
Next to this might very well be the first PAL plane (cn8090) with P&W engines.

The first delivery of A321LR is targeted for the fourth quarter of 2018. Air Astana is known to be the first operator of this LR variant.

Having said the facts, it can be told now that the six A321N frames PAL ordered were merely the Airbus Cabin Flex (ACF) frames with two auxiliary fuel tanks (ACT) and not the LR variant with 3 ACT for 4,000nm range.

This 97 tonnes base plane with almost 30 tonnes of fuel does have the range to fly 3,500nm at maximum payload according to PAL sources. With 168 passengers it can fly MEL with ease at 15-18t payload. Indeed they don't need the LR kind.

With six of them coming this year, we should see SYD on 2x daily and MEL daily flights in addition to inaugural March flights in BNE. We could see DEL in alternating days when they are flown.

The relieve A330's out of Oz is expected to fly MNL-AKL replacing the A340.
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Re: PAL A321neo, the A321-271N ACF kind

B77Wflyer
HI I'm new to this forum and recenlty join I been following this forum since late 2016 only recently decided to join. with regards to PAL A321neo it looks liked their will be no premium economy which I find baffling since they recently introduced on thier recent Tri-class A330 which they deployed to Australia and Hawaill ?
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Re: PAL A321neo, the A321-271N ACF kind

Travelbug_89
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Sweet!

I wonder if they're still going to add A321LRs for more Australia ops?
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PAL A321neo, the A321-271N ACF kind

Arianespace
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This was shown today by Tobias Gudat on his Flickr account at Airbus plant in Germany.

Definitely NOT the ACF variant. So what gives?

RP-C9930
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Re: PAL A321neo, the A321-271N ACF kind

chowpau
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Re: PAL A321neo, the A321-271N ACF kind

cabinpressure
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I guess that they just called the vanilla A321neo with auxiliary tanks the "A321neo Long Range version" in Mabuhay magazine article to differentiate it from A321LR and the remaining A321neo with ACF, the former of which PAL will not operate.

One can only wonder if the ACFs will also have the same amenities as the "A321neo Long Range version." It seems a bit overkill to have lie-flat seats in Business for shorter hops.
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PAL A321neo, the A321-271N ACF kind

Arianespace
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Just got word that the frame 8117 is the ACF kind but not the LR. It still has two ACT. The LR version has 3 ACT, while the existing A321 doesn't have one. There goes the difference.

The earlier comment was made because I was expecting L2 and L3 removed as it lightens the weight further for more payload. But I guess PR doesn't need that.

A321NLR
The variant is apparently available only for the LR which PAL planes are not because they don't need 4knm range. That settles it then.

If this aircraft can do BNE, MEL and SYD, it can also do PER as the intent was to fly OZ and there are six of them.

Making Sense
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CNS ATM

Arianespace
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CNS ATM

To be fair to everyone, this is a project of the previous administration.
Making Sense
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